[clamav-users] Permanently banned from clamav

[Grant Taylor]

On 7/2/22 11:57 AM, G.W. Haywood via clamav-users wrote:
> Hi Grant,

Hi Ged,

> I think Mr. Broekman has answered well enough, but I need to reply 
> to you because I don't want you to think I've ignored you, Grant.

I didn't expect you to /personally/ reply.  Though I do appreciate you 
going out of your way.

> I don't know, it isn't my CDN.  But I did give a link for further 
> reading.  I think there's enough there for a reasonable man, and I 
> know you fit that description. :)

I read the link and I still have questions.

Though the questions are somewhat academic as I am, have been, and will 
continue to use the prescribed method of freshclam.

> Yes, it does. :)

I assume you are saying that "regularly" specifies what the cadence is.

To which I maintain no it does not.

I file my taxes /regularly/.  Read /yearly/.

I eat meals /regularly/.  Read /multiple/ /times/ /a/ /day/.

Halley's Comet passes the Earth /regularly/.  Read /every/ /75/ /years/.

Ergo /regularly/ can have wildly different cadences.

> There's more to it than just whether or not an update is needed.

Fair enough.

> To run a Content Delivery Network costs money.  Abuse of it costs a 
> lot of money unnecessarily - and there was chronic, egregious abuse.

I agree with all of that.

> In my view, the providers of ClamAV went *well* beyond the call of 
> duty before finally putting their metaphorical foot down.  If it had 
> been my own money, I would have been a lot less patient.

I am grateful for the larger team that supports / provides ClamAV.

> It isn't just the traffic.  There are processes hanging around waiting 
> for slow connections as well.  As of today, the daily file is around 
> 185 Mbytes.  Downloading it here would take a quarter of an hour. 
> In the past two months freshclam here has taken an average of 2.9 
> seconds to download a diff file.  Scale that up to the global demand 
> and it's a factor of at least several hundred just on the process 
> count.

I have no reason to doubt your statement.

But I feel like the comments, especially the lack of definition of the 
/cadence/ of regularly fails to account for someone using a web browser 
to download files once every three years.

> When people download 185 Mbytes instead of downloading a few kilobytes 
> to get the same result it incurs very significant, unnecessary costs 
> which are borne by those who provide the data - free of charge - 
> to people who are routinely abusing the service.  And they've been 
> asked not to do it, so, well, it's just rude!

I would find it suspicious if someone were to say that downloading 185 
MB once every three years is abuse of a system.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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